So finally got the karo syrup -
put in some distilled water gelatin- let sit for 5 mins ---
heated - set for 15ma - was having issues getting above 10 ( was hovering around 9 - i eventually got it though - raising the coppper above a bit and eventually the silver as well.. - after about a minute or so i got it and stable from 10-12
half way had the adjust the copper down a bit
then random spots had to adjust again a few times to make sure it was between 10 and 20
pic or didnt happen is attached - ill dilute and see wwhat i get - its to dark for me to tell if it is good or not.