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Offline triplea

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Re: Capping Agent: Trying to understand the meaning
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2017, 04:39:25 PM »
Hey guys.
Just another question here about the gelatine.
If you cap Colloidal Silver with gelatine does the gelatine go bad or expire after some time?
If it does then refrigeration is required correct?

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Re: Capping Agent: Trying to understand the meaning
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2017, 06:01:50 PM »
Hey guys.
Just another question here about the gelatine.
If you cap colloidal silver with gelatine does the gelatine go bad or expire after some time?
If it does then refrigeration is required correct?

Yes it will.
 Some of us use their silver in their gelatin to help keep it longer.
I keep mine in the fridge even with silver infusion.

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Re: Capping Agent: Trying to understand the meaning
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2017, 07:26:14 PM »
Thank you very much mwh.
Any idea how long it will last in the refrigerator?

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Re: Capping Agent: Trying to understand the meaning
« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2017, 08:04:29 PM »
I have silver that is years old and still in perfect condition.  I do not store it in the refrigerator, it just sits on a shelf in my basement.  The only thing that can happen to it is that insufficient stabilizer allows the particles to grow over time, or fungus like yeasts are present causing growths in the solution.  I have not had any fungus problems with mine.
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Re: Capping Agent: Trying to understand the meaning
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2017, 04:43:29 PM »
Interesting. I'll experiment with it, one in the fridge and I'll leave one out somewhere in my house.
Thank you very much kephra.

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Re: Capping Agent: Trying to understand the meaning
« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2017, 06:59:36 PM »
Triplea
checkout this thread. It was an absolute revelation to me
https://www.cgcsforum.org/index.php?topic=3911.15
Pay most attention to the premade gelatin solution method. It was a joy to discover this as i only make 40ppm Colloidal Silver.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2017, 07:07:04 PM by emanwols »

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Re: Capping Agent: Trying to understand the meaning
« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2017, 06:23:36 PM »
You know, I just thought about this now, when summer comes around again,
instead of using my microwave I'll put my maison jars outside.  Where I live it gets to 60 C (about 140 F), yeah it is crazy hot here.  At night, it gets to 30 C (about 70 F) or higher. Maybe I should take advantage of the weather for the procedure of making Colloidal Silver and capping. Do you guys think it will be okay? Or is there too much of unknown factors, such as inconsistent temperature control?

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Thank you so much emanwols for the post, much appreciated.
I'm still a beginner and trying to learn many things. I finally got the hang of getting the 20ppm Colloidal Silver right on each batch that I try to make.

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Re: Capping Agent: Trying to understand the meaning
« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2017, 06:53:14 PM »
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instead of using my microwave I'll put my maison jars outside.
That would be a definite fail.  Silver oxide is very sensitive to ultraviolet light, which is very strong in sunlight.  Ionic silver should never be exposed to ultraviolet, which is why commercial silver (silver oxide) is always sold in brown bottles.

Even fluorescent lighting degrades the silver as its being made. 
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Re: Capping Agent: Trying to understand the meaning
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2017, 06:35:11 AM »
Thank you very much kephra.
I totally forgot about the light, I read about the light in the articles.  And I didn't think about the lights in my house either.  If light is an issue then is it not possible to cover it or is sun light so strong that no matter what material is used it will still effect it?
I was thinking of sticking 2 or 3 layers of dark colored contact paper on the outside of the maison jars.  Will that even help?

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Re: Capping Agent: Trying to understand the meaning
« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2017, 05:45:58 PM »
As long as you shield the silver from direct sunlight it will be ok.  You could use a brown glass bottle if you have one large enough, or paint a mason jar black so it absorbs more heat but blocks the ultraviolet.
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Re: Capping Agent: Trying to understand the meaning
« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2017, 06:00:55 PM »
Alright, I'll look into these options you suggested.
Once again thanks a lot kephra.

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Re: Capping Agent: Trying to understand the meaning
« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2017, 01:58:30 AM »
As long as you shield the silver from direct sunlight it will be ok.  You could use a brown glass bottle if you have one large enough, or paint a mason jar black so it absorbs more heat but blocks the ultraviolet.
I couldn't bear to do that! I love watching it change colour too much ! :o

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Re: Capping Agent: Trying to understand the meaning
« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2017, 06:05:01 PM »
Is there  a capping agent that is vegan , rather than gelatine

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Re: Capping Agent: Trying to understand the meaning
« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2017, 07:19:00 PM »
Glucose, maltose, maltodextrin, cinnamon extract, etc are all capping agents.  None of those are as strong as gelatin.  So, there is no vegan agent that is a substitute for gelatin.
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Re: Capping Agent: Trying to understand the meaning
« Reply #29 on: December 03, 2017, 09:39:48 PM »

Just in terms of clarity, for newbies, it is worth keeping the terms reducing agents and capping agent separate in your mind's eye?
I only say this as despite my immediate understanding of what is being said here I think that by differentiating, we are being unambiguous  regarding the need to undertake an additional process (the capping process) that should be "ticked off" the to do list for preparing the batch for internal use.

Whilst it is absolutely correct that the silver is being "capped" by any agent that is introduced (glucose or otherwise) please note what Kephra has included in his post. That's to say that what we could consider the reducing agents (glucose, malto. etc.) as "capping agents" as they too coat the silver but are nowhere near as strong as gelatine and so don't undertake the same job (that we ask the gelatine to do for us) -  protecting the silver until it reaches the small intestine.

This has actually raised a question for me though. Could we "reduce" with gelatine only and do away with the "glucose, malto, cinnamon? (or is gelatine not a good "initial" reducer in it's own right (silver oxide to metallic)?