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SilverTron Notes And Support Questions / Re: Silvertron - still available?
« Last post by wgpeters on March 01, 2024, 05:53:51 PM »
From the website you linked:
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Note: The set ppm value does not correspond to the actual mg/l silver in the water, e.g. 50ppm set at a pole change of 10 seconds, correspond to about 10 mg/l in cold and 20 mg/l in permanently heated slightly simmering water, provided that Aqua bid was used for production. However, only a suitable laboratory with ICP-MS can detect an accurate measurement.
Which tells me that whoever is in charge doesn't know what they are doing, and should spend more time learning than designing electronics. 

I am certainly not going to be involved in a poorly thought out project.
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Colloidal Silver Production / Re: David Avocado Wolfes Coated silver
« Last post by tbrod on March 01, 2024, 04:40:32 PM »
what?????????????  20ppm for external purposes is IONIC....Colloidal Silver capped people are injesting more than 20ppm..I make Colloidal Silver consitantly at 40ppm for injesting..
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Colloidal Silver Production / Collargol
« Last post by Heino_R on March 01, 2024, 04:13:27 PM »
I see, ok I think to play it safe I will get a scale capable of measuring to .000 grams. I really don’t need greater than 20ppm and plan to use only topically anyway. Thank you, for all of the assurance. The product has shipped via DHL.

Guessing it will take 1.5 weeks from this point forward!

That's good - it doesn't have to be an expensive precision scale.
If necessary, I can give you a few tips for external use.
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Colloidal Silver Production / Re: David Avocado Wolfes Coated silver
« Last post by User_72 on March 01, 2024, 04:04:31 PM »
I see, ok I think to play it safe I will get a scale capable of measuring to .000 grams. I really don’t need greater than 20ppm and plan to use only topically anyway. Thank you, for all of the assurance. The product has shipped via DHL.

Guessing it will take 1.5 weeks from this point forward!
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Colloidal Silver Production / Collargol
« Last post by Heino_R on March 01, 2024, 03:59:39 PM »
To avoid misunderstandings, this is Collargol and not David Avocado Wolfe's product.
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SilverTron Notes And Support Questions / Re: Silvertron - still available?
« Last post by waboni on March 01, 2024, 02:47:53 PM »
Quote from: Yoikyasi
Did your machine also reverse polarity so you don't have to clean the electrodes every 20-30min?
As I have explained many times, current reversal is an absolute bad thing to do.  It is unnecessary, and ruins the precision of the system.

Even when I make high ppm runs, I don't bother to clean the anode until the end.  As long as nothing is flaking off, it is unnecessary.
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I'm going to design something on my own whether I have some plans to bounce off or not. I'm just too excited not to make a setup that can at least record and monitor progress in some way... I would likely go for using a raspberry pi as the controller.

So no matter what I'll make something. Thanks for sharing all you do kephra!


A rasberry should work ok.  My first experiments were done using a PLC, and then I built a lot based on the  Arduino Uno which worked fine, but had a lot of extra circuitry and functionality that I didn't need.

Here is how I used the arduino.

Dear Kephra, would you mind to post the code for the arduino? I've been following a FB group of guys from Germany, they are developing a atmega 328p based Colloidal Silver generator, it is open sourced, works fine but its accuracy should be improved, still lacks some features that I think can be implemented if they can analize the code you have created. Would you mind make it open any time you decided not to continue commercial production of the Silvertron?

The information of the project can be found here:
https://www.silbermonster.de/
https://github.com/SilberMonster-de/MiniKSMonster

Best regards.

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Colloidal Silver Production / Collargol
« Last post by Heino_R on March 01, 2024, 11:50:06 AM »
But in a drinking glass in the sunlight the same concentration (23mg collargol /Liter) looks like this. That shows it's difficult to estimate based on the color.
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Colloidal Silver Production / Re: Colloidal Silver : Is this color usual ?
« Last post by cfnisbet on March 01, 2024, 10:12:10 AM »
"...all longest chain malto molecules so since malto is mixed bag unless you buy a single DE equivalency (you can but probably from a chemical supply house and you're going to pay a LOT for it)"

True! The moment you go to a chemical supply house, the prices go through the roof.

I used to buy a UK equivalent of Carbogain until I did a double-take at a photo on Amazon advertising Maltodextrin for sale; the picture showed a white powder - which is also probably a "mixed bag" as far as the length of the MD molecules; however, it did mean that I wasn't buying the other chemicals in the bodybuilding product (although it was very cheap).

This seems to make very clear Colloidal Silver for me in my setup, so that's what I use now, unless I use the cinnulin route. Remember that clarity is important, not the use of any particular reducing/capping agent; as they used to say in the British Army, "Selection and Maintenance of the Aim". Don't get sidetracked by the process, it's just a means to an end.
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Colloidal Silver Production / Re: Colloidal Silver : Is this color usual ?
« Last post by wgpeters on February 29, 2024, 07:06:47 PM »
Regarding the amount of maltodextrin used, this is inline with the formula on this forum which assumes a worst case - all longest chain malto molecules ...
Your formula may be right as far as reducing power, but does not consider stabilizing power.  3 chain malto does not have much stabilizing power compared to 17 chain mailtodextrin.  This determines how high you can push the ppm using maltodextrin.

Temperature is not a problem here because lower ppm showed no turbidity.

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Colloidal Silver Production / Re: Colloidal Silver : Is this color usual ?
« Last post by Gene on February 29, 2024, 06:50:36 PM »
Regarding the amount of maltodextrin used, this is inline with the formula on this forum which assumes a worst case - all longest chain malto molecules so since malto is mixed bag unless you buy a single DE equivalency (you can but probably from a chemical supply house and you're going to pay a LOT for it) you absolutely have more than enough reducing groups to reduce what you made.

Also, I'd suggest you process at 150F.  Thats what I and some other members do who've chimed in over the years.

At 150F, the solubility limit of silver oxide in water (what you're making before reduction) is about 40PPM. You always want reduction to outpace production of IS or you will have silver oxide precipitating out of solution or perhaps not ever going into solution where it won't reduce and that would be bad.

Another suggestion to try and get a handle on whats going on.  Try making at say 5ma instead of 8ma.  That'll produce slower but it will also give the produced silver oxide (that greyish black stuff on the anode that leaches into the water and dissolves) more time to do that as well as giving your reducer more time to reduce.

Regarding reducer, the formula is the best we can do given the variable nature of normally obtainable maltodextrin. Less is ill-advised but you can absolutely add more.

You didn't say what shape your anode is.  Wire? Bullion bar?

And what about your electrode spacing and what voltage are you adjusting your cell to have before you start production. Rule of thumb is for 1.5" electrode spacing, 10V minimum across the cell.

I routinely make 80PPM non-gelcapped Colloidal Silver with malto and it always comes out crystal clear. I also routinely make 120PPM or 160PPM gel-capped (whatever I have time for since at 7ma where I run, 160PPM takes about 5-3/4 hours) and I always get crystal clear results.  I'm just using the malto formula and using that amount and have never had an issue.

The only issue with malto is that it can impart a slight taste to the Colloidal Silver which some people don't like but you can always mix it with a little powdered drink mix or a little juice or even add a little honey to offset the taste if its undesireable to you.
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