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Greetings from Texas
« on: February 17, 2012, 11:26:04 pm »
Hello.  I am new to colloidal production.  I got into this by purchasing the SilverLungs generator that is commercially available.  I have made several batches of ionic and one of metallic silver with it so far using their dextrin reducing agent.  I did read a post here earlier where you claimed that using the nebulizer that the generator comes with in ionic form would precipitate silver oxide dust into the lungs, and your reaction to this potential did not seem positive.  Would there be a difference in nebulizing the reduced metallic silver versus the ionic batch that the company recommends you use?  They claim that nebulizing is the fastest way to deliver the silver into your bloodstream, and I do admit that I feel a slight alteration after consuming it in this manner, for the better, though this could definitely just be mental persuasion on my part.  I have noticed that using the CS the last two times I became ill has resulted in a much faster than historical average healing and recovery time for my body based on my experience, and that is what initially prompted me to buy the generator.  I am afraid now that the nebulizer was a horrible purchase and would appreciate any guidance you may have.  Hopefully I can learn more from this site and become better at this craft and keep myself safe at the same time.  I have two classes of general chemistry and one of organic chemistry in college under my belt, though it has been several years, so I am definitely excited to learn more.

Colloidal gold is also of great interest to me.  Other sites out there claim that it is impossible to produce true colloidal gold at home and that the equipment to do so costs hundreds of thousands of dollars, but your excellent forum here seems to provide valuable information that contradicts these claims and some production methods that seem simple enough starting with the gold chloride.  I admit my newbie status may cause me to make some outlandish statements based on what I have heard elsewhere, so please do not judge me too harshly.  It is difficult to figure out what is legitimate information and what is noise and garbage on the internet these days.  I appreciate all the knowledge and advice you fine people can impart, and I am grateful for being allowed a registration on this forum.

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Re: Greetings from Texas
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2012, 07:27:19 am »
Hello.  I am new to colloidal production.  I got into this by purchasing the SilverLungs generator that is commercially available.  I have made several batches of ionic and one of metallic silver with it so far using their dextrin reducing agent.  I did read a post here earlier where you claimed that using the nebulizer that the generator comes with in ionic form would precipitate silver oxide dust into the lungs, and your reaction to this potential did not seem positive.
 
Inhaling silver oxide does not seem like a good idea to me.  First, there is the safety data sheet which says

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3 - Hazards     NFPA 704

Health Rating: 2 - Intense or continued but not chronic exposure could cause temporary incapacitation or possible residual injury.

Flammability Rating: 0 - None

Reactivity Rating: 1 - Normally stable, but releases oxygen at temperatures above 280°C (536°F).

Contact Rating: 3 - Severe (Corrosive). Avoid skin contact, especially if skin is wet or moist.

Lab Protective Equip: Safety goggles and/or face shield. Latex gloves. Good ventilation.

Storage Color Code: Yellow (Reactive)
Secondly, a nebulizer requires a prescription to get in the US.  So it looks like that company is selling medical equipment illegally.  Third, there is no research which shows that inhaled silver oxide is effective; this is a totally untested delivery route.  The lungs are evolved to transmit gases, not solid particles of chemicals.  And lastly, lab research shows that the concentration of silver needs to reach at least several ppm to be effective.  A person cannot possible breathe in that much silver, so it won't reach effective levels in the blood.  Whether you do it or not is your choice of course.  I chose not to.

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Would there be a difference in nebulizing the reduced metallic silver versus the ionic batch that the company recommends you use?  They claim that nebulizing is the fastest way to deliver the silver into your bloodstream, and I do admit that I feel a slight alteration after consuming it in this manner, for the better, though this could definitely just be mental persuasion on my part.
Yes, the placebo effect is always a consideration.

The latest lab research says that metallic silver is more effective than ionic, but why would it be absorbed through the lungs?
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I have noticed that using the CS the last two times I became ill has resulted in a much faster than historical average healing and recovery time for my body based on my experience, and that is what initially prompted me to buy the generator.  I am afraid now that the nebulizer was a horrible purchase and would appreciate any guidance you may have.  Hopefully I can learn more from this site and become better at this craft and keep myself safe at the same time.  I have two classes of general chemistry and one of organic chemistry in college under my belt, though it has been several years, so I am definitely excited to learn more.

Colloidal gold is also of great interest to me.  Other sites out there claim that it is impossible to produce true colloidal gold at home and that the equipment to do so costs hundreds of thousands of dollars, but your excellent forum here seems to provide valuable information that contradicts these claims and some production methods that seem simple enough starting with the gold chloride.
Lab researchers have been making colloidal gold using chemical reduction for 50 years -- the Turkevich method.  I have found historical references to making it by reducing gold chloride with tin in the 1600's.  People who sell the stuff want you to believe that it is difficult to make so as to justify their high prices.  There are only four ways to make it:  An underwater plasma arc, laser ablation, and chemical reduction, and communition.  All of the research in the past century has been done with CG produced by chemical reduction.  Even electrolysis is a chemical reduction process, the only difference being that electricity takes the place of nitric acid in the making of the gold chloride.  I have certainly demonstrated often enough how easy it is and other members on this forum have readily duplicated it with comparatively very little equipment and expense.

The bottom line and my rule of thumb is to disregard what colloidal gold and silver sales sites say.     They are the worst source of information.  If you want to find quality information.  Never google colloidals,  instead google AgNP,  AuNP, "silver nanoparticle", and "gold nanoparticle".   That's the way the colloids are referenced in the science literature.

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  I admit my newbie status may cause me to make some outlandish statements based on what I have heard elsewhere, so please do not judge me too harshly.  It is difficult to figure out what is legitimate information and what is noise and garbage on the internet these days.  I appreciate all the knowledge and advice you fine people can impart, and I am grateful for being allowed a registration on this forum.
Everyone is a newbie at first, as was I.
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Re: Greetings from Texas
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2012, 09:23:33 am »
Thank you so much!  Your answers were thorough and considered.  Furthermore, you gave me some outstanding leads to continue my study and research in this area.  You have my gratitude for taking so much time to craft a reply and provide your perspective.  I do believe the nebulizer will be going back in the bag for now.  Interesting about the prescription being needed for it; I will have to take that up with the owner of SilverLungs. 

At least the quality of components in the generator I bought seem outstanding, if a bit too expensive.  I will continue making reduced metallic batches of CS for now with my present device and will be trying the Turkevich method whenever I can scrape together the supplies for it.  Have a wonderful weekend and I'll let you all know how it turns out. 

One final question: Is the dextrin he sent me as a reducing agent still good to use or should I be looking for another one?  You have mentioned dextrin in several of your posts so that gives me confidence that it is a good one.  The resulting batch when stirred with the magnetic stirrer for five minutes and heated then cooled on a stove burner turns my CS a deep honey yellow amber color, and it seems that is what I want.

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Re: Greetings from Texas
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2012, 09:47:28 am »
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One final question: Is the dextrin he sent me as a reducing agent still good to use or should I be looking for another one?  You have mentioned dextrin in several of your posts so that gives me confidence that it is a good one.  The resulting batch when stirred with the magnetic stirrer for five minutes and heated then cooled on a stove burner turns my CS a deep honey yellow amber color, and it seems that is what I want.
If you get a golden color with low turbidity, you have a good product.  Dextrin and maltodextrin are two different things.  I think maltodextrin is better, but if your dextrin works ok, why change.  Dextrin is readily available as the Benefiber.
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Re: Greetings from Texas
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2012, 05:27:07 pm »
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Interesting about the prescription being needed for it; I will have to take that up with the owner of SilverLungs. 
He will probably argue about that, but both my pharmacy and my family doctor says that I need a prescription to buy one. 
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Re: Greetings from Texas
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2012, 04:12:07 am »
I am used to America having much more varied and MUCH CHEAPER sources of supply for everything, but it appears that this one is a "win" for the UK. No prescription is needed for any purchase of most medical equipment here. I bought a nebuliser some time ago to try nebulising CS. I found no adverse effects, but I have heard of good results in people who have very severely infected lungs, presumably on the grounds that even tiny amounts of silver colloid work well in extrremis.

I am doubtful whether any really effective amount could be inhaled this way, however. It took fifteen minutes to inhale 5mls, which (even allowing for the fast access to the desired site of infection) seems pretty minimal at best.

If you come here on holiday some time...

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Re: Greetings from Texas
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2012, 09:12:49 am »
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One final question: Is the dextrin he sent me as a reducing agent still good to use or should I be looking for another one?  You have mentioned dextrin in several of your posts so that gives me confidence that it is a good one.  The resulting batch when stirred with the magnetic stirrer for five minutes and heated then cooled on a stove burner turns my CS a deep honey yellow amber color, and it seems that is what I want.
If you get a golden color with low turbidity, you have a good product.  Dextrin and maltodextrin are two different things.  I think maltodextrin is better, but if your dextrin works ok, why change.  Dextrin is readily available as the Benefiber.

Just wanted to chime in and let you know you aren't alone on here... I also have a Silver Lungs unit and have been using the Nebulizer.  I used the Nebulizer to treat my pneumonia at the onset when I received the unit.  After a week I started to consume the CS in the reduced form orally and discontinued the Nebulizer after another week... kinda on intuition and not based on any kind of knowledge.    I am 2 "green" to have an opinion yet on what I think about the Nebulizer method but I can tell you that I am feeling good for the first time in over a year.  I had been fighting with chronic pneumonia reoccurring every 6 months roughly over the last couple years and fatigue associated with that.  I work the night shift and always is harder on the immune system and the environment I work in def puts me in the path of nasty germs.  I am starting to feel back to my normal self again!  I wish I had found the site before I had made any purchases and been a little better informed.  Now I am curious what the ppm of my CS really is when you make it on the high setting and reduce the stuff on the stove top.  Anyway if you have contacted the Silver Lungs ppl I would love to hear what they had to say.

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