100ppm Colloidal Silver with cinnulin, sodium hydroxide and constant current

[silverFalcon]

This looks very impressive...and best for storing...

[Silvio]

I'm very exited about the 100ppm+ CS. It saves a lot of work as well as being more potent. I must confess that the process
has proven to be somewhat elusive for me, in that I cannot get consistent results. I've made at least 3Liters of the stuff,
500ml at a time, and every other batch displays some reflected light when lit and viewed from the front.
Others remain clear or rather have undetectable turbidity.

Barring any contamination, I suspect that the cinnamon I'm currently using, either fails at higher concentrations or that it
simply cannot keep up (with reduction) as the silver is being produced and that the cumulative effect becomes visible after
an hour or so. There is also a lot of silver oxide left on the anode after the process.

The recipe that has worked best so far is:

500ml Water @ 100C
60min @ 12.5mA
8ml Cinnamon
6-8 drops 1M NaOH

An alternative recipe I have used successfully is:

800ml Water @ 100C
60min @12.5mA
8ml Cinnamon
4 drops 1M NaOH
50mg Citrate

This recipe drops the voltage dangerously low, but the idea is for the citrate to aid my cinnamon with silver reduction,
although the real effect might just be that silver is being produced at a slower rate. The additional water is there to
dilute the citrate. Finally I would reduce (boil) the remaining water volume to get ~100ppm. There is also far less silver oxide
left on the anode at the end.

I personally find calculating concentration a hassle, so I made this simple web-form to help out.
http://www.ncuentra.com/CS/cs_calculator.php

The yellow fields are editable. The "Current Yield" -factor is based on the discussion in this thread:
http://www.cgcsforum.com/index.php/topic,171.msg1193.html#msg1193
Change it to 1 for an ideal value. I'm unfortunately not a math person, so the calculations might be too
simplistic (or wrong). The “info”-link shows how it's done.


Cinnamon extract in alcohol and the coffee filter "tea bag".


Latest batch with Cinnamon and Sodium Citrate.

Cheers

[Kephra]

I checked out your calculator, and it gives correct results except I would have based the cinnamon on 100% efficiency. 

Colloids will always reflect some light, that is just inevitable.  Mine does also.  But I examine it when diluted down to 20 ppm.  It should at least look as good or better than made with other techniques.

Do you fire clean you anode after each batch?

If anything, I might have tried using more sodium hydroxide, especially if there was any silver plated out on the cathode.

This recipe drops the voltage dangerously low

When the voltage is too low for a given formula, you can decrease the amount of the cathode that's in the water to increase the voltage.  Decreasing the amount of anode in the water would also increase the voltage, but is detrimental.  A larger anode decreases the concentration of silver oxide at the boundary between the anode and the water, which helps keep the silver oxide from precipitating and contributing to the turbidity.

Thank you for the report and the photos!

[Silvio]

Thank you for the feedback and the useful suggestions. 

I fire clean the anode between each batch and also wipe everything with isopropanol and rinse with DI water. I plan to continue
with the standard recipe and different brands of Cinnamon. The random turbidity is a bit puzzling, but it helps to have
it confirmed that some is to be expected.

And if someone has the plans for a home made Nephelometer, please let me know
 
Regards

[Kephra]

And if someone has the plans for a home made Nephelometer, please let me know

Heino and I talked about that at one time.  Heino_R is very good at building equipment like that.

The random turbidity is a bit puzzling, but it helps to have it confirmed that some is to be expected.

When things are not repeatable, it almost always points to some uncontrolled variable.

[broli]

Stupid question perhaps, was your liquid being stirred? And when did you add the cinnamon during the process? I add it at the beginning.

[Kephra]

I always stir because I can and its always beneficial, so there is no point in not doing it.  Yes, I add cinnamon at the beginning.

[inocentforever]

Kephra, i have notticed that the CS made with cinnulin ,  it is better stabilized, i dont know if cinnulin works also as a stabilizer.  could it work like it??

[Kephra]

Yes, substances can be both.  Maltodextrin and citrate are both also.

[bsilverman444]

I used the calculator above to calculate the ppm of my cs and it shows ppm of 119.5

To make the cs i used the following:

4 L Water boiling
60min  4 9 volt radio batteries ( simplest setup )
5ml Cinnamon
0.75ml  NaOH

The solutions is nice and dark and very clear.

Does the ppm seem right?

[Kephra]

There's no way to tell if you don't know the current.

[broli]

I personally find calculating concentration a hassle, so I made this simple web-form to help out.
http://www.ncuentra.com/CS/cs_calculator.php

The yellow fields are editable. The "Current Yield" -factor is based on the discussion in this thread:
http://www.cgcsforum.com/index.php/topic,171.msg1193.html#msg1193
Change it to 1 for an ideal value. I'm unfortunately not a math person, so the calculations might be too
simplistic (or wrong). The “info”-link shows how it's done.

That's a cool calculator but it would be more or as valuable if the ppm could also be a variable. Usually you make a batch towards a certain ppm and want to know how much time it would take with a given current.

[Silvio]

Hi broli,

That's a good idea. I altered the script to include an editable ppm-field.
Because "time" and "ppm" cannot both have (potentially conflicting) input values,
one of the fields will reset if the other is changed.

Hopefully, I haven't messed up the calculation/code too bad, but one should probably verify the results.

Edit: I'm attaching a link to the source code, converted to a text file, if you're interested. Obviously, the PHP script code
will not execute locally, unless one has a webb server installed. http://ncuentra.com/CS/cs_calculator.txt   

Regards           

[inocentforever]

  Hi i have been testimg CS reduced with cinnulin and it has not been as efective as CS reduced with syrup or glucose.  I know that the CS reduced with cinnulin looks darker and seems to be stabilized, but not as effctive. I think it is the coated  capp of the cinnulin!  We know that surup or glucose dont capp the silver particles and thats why i think it works better.

  I tested in my throat both of them, and in my dog. 
I needed alot more silver (reduced with cinnulin) than the one reduced with syrup  to make the same effect.

[Kephra]

How did you measure the effectiveness?