100ppm Colloidal Silver with cinnulin, sodium hydroxide and constant current

[Kephra]

Here are some pictures of 100ppm CS I made using my constant current setup with sodium hydroxide as an electrolyte, and cinnulin as the reducing agent.

I made 250 ml of 100ppm CS, and then diluted 200ml of the product with 800ml of water to make 20ppm.

Here is the 100ppm made by electrolyzing 250 ml distilled water with 4 drops of 1M NaOH plus 2.5ml of my cinnamon extract for 25 minutes.  You can see my stirrer magnet in the bottom.



And here is the result after dilution with 800ml water.



I did not use distilled water to dilute it.  I used water from my reverse osmosis drinking water filter.  This saves a lot of distilled water.

I do find I have to clean my anode after every run, but there is almost no silver plated onto my cathode.

The entire process was carried out cold, which is another big advantage.

The next photo is another 20ppm sample with a flask of my cinnamon extract beside it.   This batch of silver was made by electrolyzing 250ml of DW for 10 minutes with 3 drops of 1M NaOH plus 1ml of the cinnamon then diluting it with another 250ml water to bring it back to 20ppm.

[Garrick]

Nice work Kephra! I am wondering would the silver nanoparticle size start to become larger as the concentration increased or would it remain the relativey the same size? Im trying to gauge wether I want to continue making 100ppm CS myself or just make more of the lower ppm CS.

[Kephra]

Garrick,

If the particle size were to become larger, the result would be a color change and/or an increase in turbidity.  So far, I have seen neither, so my conclusion is that the samples I made at 100ppm are just as good as the ones I made at 20ppm.  I have not stored any 100ppm CS for any length of time though yet.

Did you make some 100ppm using my formula? 

I might try to push it higher just to see how far I can go.  It would be nice to have enough silver concentrate in a 1/2 liter soda bottle for several days use to take traveling.

[redeyejedi]

How long does your 80ppm CS stay good for?

I made some the other day, poured it into an amber glass bottle which is wrapped in triple layered alluminum foil with a BORN ON date written on it so i remember when i created the batch.

I want to make higher ppms. I went to this site invive.com and they claim they have silver proteins at 10,000 ppm...how is this possible?

[Kephra]

So far, my 80 ppm CS made with cinnamon shows no signs of degrading.  For that matter, I also made some 320ppm, and it seems to be completely stable.  I take no special precautions for storage, its not necessary.  I store mine in clear bottles exposed to the light, out on my counter.

With the right stabilizer, you can make very high ppm CS, especially if you start with a soluble silver compound, like silver nitrate.  But be warned, such high ppms are just inviting smurfdom and possible liver damage. 

Its not the ppm that actually matters though, its how many milligrams of silver particles a person consumes.  Its just a lot harder to overdose with lower ppm solutions.

[redeyejedi]

so what about high ppms in the rectum? bypasses liver and kidneys.

[Kephra]

According to my Gray's Anatomy, all the blood from the entire digestive system including the rectum goes first to the liver.  So you cannot bypass your liver.  The liver filters out a lot of the silver by means of the Kuppfer cells.  See Kupffer cells are central in the removal of nanoparticles from the organism 

[redeyejedi]

wow...this is seeming more and more like it will do more harm than good....don't want my liver to go bye bye   

[Kephra]

No, I don't think that.  Any substance can be abused, and my point was that very high ppms enable someone to abuse CS.  A wise person said that the difference between medicine and poison is the dose.  Even water is toxic if too much is consumed, same with oxygen.

[redeyejedi]

indeed, this is very true. 

[broli]

Will there be any formation of silver hydroxide?

[Kephra]

Will there be any formation of silver hydroxide?

Yes, lots of it, but the cinnulin reduces it to silver metal, so when its done there is not any left.

[stevecs]

So far, my 80 ppm CS made with cinnamon shows no signs of degrading.  For that matter, I also made some 320ppm, and it seems to be completely stable.  I take no special precautions for storage, its not necessary.  I store mine in clear bottles exposed to the light, out on my counter.

With the right stabilizer, you can make very high ppm CS, especially if you start with a soluble silver compound, like silver nitrate.  But be warned, such high ppms are just inviting smurfdom and possible liver damage. 

Its not the ppm that actually matters though, its how many milligrams of silver particles a person consumes.  Its just a lot harder to overdose with lower ppm solutions.

I just tried out making high ppm CS with cinnamon extract and it's simply amazing. I made 100ppm without heating the water, and I made 320ppm with hot water and a hot plate. In both cases a stirrer was used. After I bottled up the 320ppm I had some left over, so I diluted it into 20ppm. The resulting colloid has a beautiful yellow color.

When you warn about smurfdom, does that also apply to putting high ppm CS directly on your skin? Can you get skin discoloration from applying silver directly to the skin in either ionic or colloidal form?

btw, your MKII current regulator works perfectly. I inputed 31V and on my ammeter it showed regulation around 16.04 milliamps. I made the 320ppm as a 300ml batch under 90 minutes.

[Kephra]

When you warn about smurfdom, does that also apply to putting high ppm CS directly on your skin? Can you get skin discoloration from applying silver directly to the skin in either ionic or colloidal form?

As to high strength metallic CS, that's a good question, and I really don't know the answer.  I think that until I have experience with that, I won't put it anywhere too important.  I'm pretty sure ionic does permanently stain skin, because the famous smurf guy puts it on his face every day, and I have noticed that ionic stains my counter tops. 

btw, your MKII current regulator works perfectly. I inputed 31V and on my ammeter it showed regulation around 16.04 milliamps. I made the 320ppm as a 300ml batch under 90 minutes.

I am happy to hear that.  Its good to know that my formulas and regulators work well for others.  I think I measured yours at 14.5 ma, but I measured it with an input voltage of 9 volts, which would make a small difference.

You should have noticed that there was hardly any silver deposited on your cathode too.  Thats one of the benefits of using sodium hydroxide as an electrolyte.

[stevecs]

You should have noticed that there was hardly any silver deposited on your cathode too.  Thats one of the benefits of using sodium hydroxide as an electrolyte.

Considering that during the 90 minutes approximately 96mg of silver was liberated, there was hardly any silver on the cathode. There was just a bit of a coating, that's all.

I read a reply from Heino_R where he said that 0.1ppm of ionic silver for 5 hours would be good enough to purify water. Do you know any good sources of info on the topic of water purification using CS? The link where I read the reply is here:
http://www.cgcsforum.com/index.php/topic,171.msg1187.html#msg1187

Since your methods using cinnamon can yield such high ppms, it makes it very easy to keep CS around when you need it.