Hi Kephra,
Thanks for commenting!
I've been reading as much as possible on the site, taking notes and ordering everything I need. I ALMOST bought a silver puppy 2 generator before really digging into this site, that generator is limited to 1 ma, so I would have been severely limited.
I'm building my own magnetic stirrer with a 12 v pc fan and a magnet from a hard drive, I have already tested it with something that resembled a bar, and so tonight am ordering a teflon bar along with the rest of my stuff. I want to add a potentiometer with dial for speed control, so I will have to figure that out. Then I plan to try and mount it under a hot / cold plate, on the hot side of the plate (on the top of it) would be a larger ceramic platform, which should act as a nice heat transfer from the hot cold plate, and also support larger beakers such as 1 gallon (4000 ml). I would like the heater too to run through a potentiometer with a dial, I will have to figure out the electrical / wiring part.
I'm probably going to order the 4 inch 18 gauge gold wire, but wasn't sure if it would be long enough, but will probably be ordered before you can respond to this anyway.
Kephra, I had some questions, I apologize if some of these have already been asked / answered on the forum, I have read HUGE amounts, and already spent most of today doing so, but ran out of time, but ofcourse will continue reviewing the site and contributing! but at the moment I need to start the obtaining of supplies phase. Need to start before next weekend is my goal.
Do you notice buildup of any kind on the silver or gold anode electrodes after a single batch / over time? do you clean them? if so how often and with what?
I never have to clean my gold anode. It should remain very bright and clean because the only thing which is going to react with gold is chloride, and gold chloride is very soluble. If it did become discolored, it would indicate that your water is contaminated.
The silver anode will turn black from the undissolved silver oxide particles on its surface. A lot of people scrub this off, but that is just a waste of silver. Instead, I fire clean it by heating it up in a gas flame which drives off the oxygen and converts the oxide back to pure metal. (Tip of the hat to Heino_R for suggesting the fire cleaning!)
Have you considered implementing an automatic (say every 1 minute, or whatever) polarity switch (I know you would need BOTH electrodes to be the same metal (both gold / both silver) ? can you think of any benefits this would have or maybe it has the benefit of self cleaning both the electrodes so they won't get a build up (if they even do get a build up that is)?
I see no advantage to doing that. The addition of sodium hydroxide keeps the cathode clean and then there is only one electrode to clean. Electrode switching came about by people who used only distilled water, and the silver plated out onto the cathode. If you have ever done that, you know the process runs away, and long fluffy strings of silver particles form on the cathode.
Have you considered taking the anode (even if it's copper) once it has enough gold / silver plating on it, and once in a while using IT as the anode, to help recoup the loss of some of that gold / silver, and I would imagine you could do this until you reach the copper underneath, and if a tiny bit of copper came off in one batch, I believe that would be ok? and you would just stop using it as the anode at that point?
I lose very little gold to the cathode, so no, I would not do that. In any event, that would be asking for a contaminated product. With silver, since I use sodium hydroxide in the water, little silver is lost, and since silver is fairly cheap, I don't really care about the little that is plated on the cathode.
Have you found a certain electrode formation to be superior? such as coiling the gold wire? if so in what ways and do I also want to do the same thing with the copper wire to match the gold? AND do I want less anode in the solution or just as much or more? or does that even matter?
For silver: More surface area of the anode is better. A flat plate with the large surface pointed toward the cathode is best. This keeps the concentration of silver hydroxide as low as possible in the boundary layer between water and electrode.
The size of the cathode does not matter for all practical purposes. I use a piece of 14 gauge copper wire.
For gold: Smaller seems better. Gold chloride is very soluble, so the concentration in the boundary layer is less important, and unlike silver, each gold ion has to capture 3 chloride ions to make gold chloride and release the atom into the water. My theory is that a smaller electrode makes it statistically more likely that the same gold ion will capture 3 chloride ions.
Have you ever considered using a "seed" of CS / CG as the initial electrolyte instead of salt? (so I don't know but a tiny amount like 10ml up to an ounce of "seed" from a previous batch of CS / CG to make say, a new 500 ml batch) ..... WOULD this even work?
People do that because the conductivity of distilled water is so low. I prefer something more useful like sodium hydroxide.
what is the max ma you would use for making CS and why? ( i know you like to use about 10 )
That would depend on the size of my anode, and the amount of water I had. The important parameter would be amps per square inch of anode, all else being equal.
do you think it matters what specific strain / kind of cinnamon we use for the extract?
Unknown at this point. I have two different species, and they both work, so I use the cheap stuff from the grocery (McCormick brand) and save the good stuff for pie.
How much CG do you currently drink? In one study I read 10mg a day, and another I read 30mg a day, which seem like large amounts, I believe you would have to ingest about 750ml of 40 ppm to equal 30mg of gold, and even 250ml of 40ppm would be the 10mg a day if my calculations are correct, which I don't think you or others are probably drinking. I plan on doing long term 250ml a day, over once or divided up twice daily (125ml 2x a day), OR I may drop down and just do 125ml longterm, so a 500ml batch would last just four 125ml doses, so at 40ppm would be about 5mg a day. Plan to ingest on empty stomach.
I take 10mg a day when my myopathy and arthritis are bothering me. The doctor who did the recent tests used 30 mg a day to tread arthritis and for his research in cognition. Recently, as an experiment, I started taking 10mg of CG a day to see if there was any other effect. At this point, I would have to say no. IE: Some is good, but past a certain point there is no gain.
Is it possible to create silver ions without anything attached? so pure silver ions with no oxide, etc? What can we do if we wanted to make certain our particles were as small as possible, how would YOU go about making the smallest particles possible? (you can answer this for CS and if youd like, CG as well)
Its not possible to create silver ions without some kind of matching anions. (Unless you have a nuclear reactor perhaps). The smallest particle of course is a single atom or ion. Personally, I don't want to make the smallest particle, I want to make the most effective while being the least toxic. I have read research papers which stated that gold particles below a certain size became toxic. I don't want silver particles that are so small that they could freely enter cells. Cells are like roach motels.... silver goes in, but doesn't come out. I want my silver to circulate and zap pathogens in my blood before they infect my cells. Infections spread via blood, lymph, and intercellular fluids, so thats where I want the silver to go.
Does creating a high concentration of ppm for CS or CG force any formation of larger particles? so say 100ppm or even 200ppm, etc?
Yes, unless you include some kind of stabilizer. Have you ever seen the transistors in the little metal cases. They are called TO-5 cases, and were once the norm. Those cases are welded together by simple pressure. All metals are weldable by pressure/force if they are clean. When you make metal nanoparticles, they are absolutely clean and when they bang together from Brownian motion, they will weld (agglomerate). However, if they are covered by something which is not weldable (steric stabilizer) or by somthing which repels other particles (ionic stabilizer) then they will not weld and grow in size. Steric stabilizers can produce the highest ppms.
For your CS cooking methods AND your CG cooking methods, do you find it preferable (make a better product) to cook first with just the electrolyte, and then cut electrolysis and THEN add the reduction agent with continued heat? or is it better to add the reduction agent in the very beginning? Please answer this for both CS and CG scenarios.
For low ppm silver with sodium hydroxide as an electrolyte, the answer is yes. Adding the reducing agent last to well made ionic silver seems to produce a tighter spread of particle sizes as witnessed by lower turbidity. But for higher ppms, the ions simply precipitate unless the reducing agent is in the solution during electrolysis so as to keep the concentration of ionic product below the threshold where it would precipitate. With gold, the reducing agent must be present at the start, otherwise you will just plate most of it out on the cathode.
THIS one has been a BURNING question on my mind for you, I know now that tds ppm meters are not accurate for this stuff, but how about EC meters, I mean, YOU must have SOME way of giving you some IDEA of what your ppm is besides just the color right? I mean, is an EC meter better than flying blind? why or why not and what do you use? if you do use one, what readings do you get for what estimated amount of ppm for CG and CS?
A TDS meter IS an Electrical Conductivity meter. Its just calibrated differently. However, since silver nanoparticles are not ions, they are completely unreadable by any kind of conductivity instrument. A TDS meter responds to silver ions, but the calibration is wrong. In theory, you could read ionic silver with a TDS meter by applying a mathematical correction factor.
Also, I have had excellent results using colloidal / ionic silvers in a nebulizer, to breath it directly into the lungs and instantly into the bloodstream, it is a huge benefit to be able to bypass having your only option be to drink it, where you even said your not sure how much (if any?) is even reaching the bloodstream after entering the stomach.
It seems a lot of people do nebulize. I don't recommend it for everyday use for several reasons. Silver is a known lung irritant, although probably not as bad as a lot of the air we breathe; It would be useful only for lung infections since the lung is meant to exchange gases and in fact has mechanisms to expel particulate matter. I think the SilverLungs dude is very irresponsible for promoting nebulizing, as a lot of ill-informed people will probably breathe it for a toe infection
There is no question whatsoever that silver enters the bloodstream from the digestive tract. If that were not so, no one would every get argyria, and there are plenty of cases of argyria, even today. What we don't know is what percentage, and whether empty/full stomach or what we ate with it matters, etc. We don't know how much is removed by the liver either, but we do most of what is expelled from the body exits through the liver and bile system.
Also again, I'm interested in making a gel out of my CS CG, have you attempted making it into a gel? (some CS sites sell gel kits, which lists the 2 chemicals required)
I have not tried it. I bought some gelling agents, but never got around to doing it.
I KNOW that's alot of questions and text, I'm sorry about that, I've actually been interested in your work for a couple of months now and these are ALL the questions I could come up with at the time, hopefully the answers will help others, feel free to move this question if it's not in the right place.
Thanks for everything you've provided for us Kephra! by the way, how DID you learn all this stuff? what's your story? and how did you get into it?
and above all FORGIVE ME!
I got into this the same way you did. Mainstream medicine as screwed me over too many times, and I wanted to have some control over my own health. I had a head start in learning about this because of my physics and chemistry background, and also because I worked in a field that used a lot of electroplating. I majored in physics and took chemistry courses also. In truth, I don't like doing chemistry.... I break too much glassware
You are forgiven.
